presidential and de. i think mitt romney did some damage. he did well in the debate. but the truth is he's become, he has become totally untethered from everything he said before andith this final apology for the 47% remark it really does look like a guy who will say anything to get to be president of the united states. people look presidential. i don't think president obama will call mitt romney a liar in the next debate. that's not presidential. i think he'll be much more aggressive. i don't think romney is a liar, he just manages to convince himself that any position is fine at the time. ted kennedy had it best. ted kennedy said i'm the pro choice candidate. my candidate is the multiple choice candidates. mitt romney says whatever he has to say and there's no core belief there. that's a problem for him in the general election because i think people are into that. they get that politicians say anything and obama doesn't do that. obama pretty much tells like it is. did he do a good job in the debate? >> no. >> governor i want to ask you about vice president biden yesterday on the stump,